1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:05,000 She looked at the palm print and started telling us what happened. 2 00:00:05,000 --> 00:00:12,000 This time on Unexplained Mysteries, psychic crime solvers. 3 00:00:12,000 --> 00:00:15,000 It's like looking at a big screen movie that I'm in. 4 00:00:15,000 --> 00:00:19,000 We don't know how it was. We did, it wouldn't be mysterious. 5 00:00:19,000 --> 00:00:25,000 With our case studies, you'll meet five women with uncanny abilities. 6 00:00:25,000 --> 00:00:28,000 The data checked out all the way down the line. 7 00:00:28,000 --> 00:00:32,000 The detectives who worked with these psychics. 8 00:00:32,000 --> 00:00:37,000 After five minutes with her, she told me enough stuff that she had a hundred percent of my attention. 9 00:00:37,000 --> 00:00:41,000 The family members desperate for answers. 10 00:00:41,000 --> 00:00:45,000 You're haunted every moment that you live and breathe. 11 00:00:45,000 --> 00:00:50,000 You'll witness the psychics visit to the crime scene. 12 00:00:50,000 --> 00:00:57,000 The minute that I get near the scene, it seems like the blood is rushing through my body and saying to me, 13 00:00:57,000 --> 00:01:02,000 this is what happened to this girl. This is who did it to her. This is what he looks like. 14 00:01:02,000 --> 00:01:06,000 The touch that reveals a clue. 15 00:01:06,000 --> 00:01:09,000 He shot me. I know I'm on the floor. 16 00:01:09,000 --> 00:01:13,000 My back seems to be hurting me a great deal and I died. 17 00:01:13,000 --> 00:01:17,000 The twist of fate that started with a lightning strike. 18 00:01:17,000 --> 00:01:23,000 I began dreaming, seeing pictures, which I know now is clairvoyance. 19 00:01:23,000 --> 00:01:26,000 The psychics message to a killer. 20 00:01:26,000 --> 00:01:29,000 I'm going to come after you until I get you. 21 00:01:29,000 --> 00:01:34,000 And the tragic case of a missing child. 22 00:01:34,000 --> 00:01:39,000 Grab my arm and she said, Tim, find the dog and you'll find the Victoria. 23 00:01:39,000 --> 00:01:42,000 It was a situation that I'll never forget as long as I live. 24 00:01:42,000 --> 00:01:47,000 And we'll bring it all together in our Unexed Report. 25 00:01:47,000 --> 00:01:54,000 Right here on Unexplained Mysteries. Psychic Crime Solvers. 26 00:01:57,000 --> 00:02:02,000 Police work involves cold facts and hard evidence. 27 00:02:02,000 --> 00:02:10,000 Detective study crime scenes, interrogate witnesses and analyze evidence. 28 00:02:10,000 --> 00:02:17,000 But when traditional investigations lead nowhere, they sometimes turn to psychics. 29 00:02:17,000 --> 00:02:24,000 The only way I ever get involved is if the police called me. 30 00:02:24,000 --> 00:02:27,000 If they don't, I will not work on a case. 31 00:02:27,000 --> 00:02:31,000 Dorothy Allison is a unique breed of psychic. 32 00:02:31,000 --> 00:02:41,000 Her extrasensory skills are so keen that she has been caught on to work on a number of high-profile cases. 33 00:02:41,000 --> 00:02:49,000 The son of Sam, John Wayne Gacy, Atlanta child murderer, Wayne Williams. 34 00:02:49,000 --> 00:02:53,000 With a single murder, you're dealing with a single victim and a single murderer. 35 00:02:53,000 --> 00:03:00,000 With a serial killer now, you're dealing not only with a smart person, but a very devious, cunning person. 36 00:03:00,000 --> 00:03:05,000 And then you've got so many people, so many visions, so many faces all at once. 37 00:03:05,000 --> 00:03:09,000 The visions are sometimes cryptic. 38 00:03:09,000 --> 00:03:13,000 Even Dorothy doesn't fully understand them. 39 00:03:13,000 --> 00:03:18,000 And talking to Dorothy, you have to sort of interrogate her like a suspect. 40 00:03:18,000 --> 00:03:24,000 She sees locations and you have to narrow these locations down to find what you're looking for. 41 00:03:24,000 --> 00:03:28,000 December, 1978. 42 00:03:28,000 --> 00:03:30,000 Chicago. 43 00:03:30,000 --> 00:03:37,000 The bodies of 33 boys are found beneath the house of John Wayne Gacy. 44 00:03:37,000 --> 00:03:40,000 But one body is missing. 45 00:03:40,000 --> 00:03:43,000 Dorothy is called in to help. 46 00:03:43,000 --> 00:03:45,000 She has a vision. 47 00:03:45,000 --> 00:03:51,000 You will find the body on April 9th, near a bridge, by a river. 48 00:03:51,000 --> 00:03:54,000 I was sitting at my desk, phone rang. 49 00:03:54,000 --> 00:03:58,000 It was a sheriff from a small county near this bridge. 50 00:03:58,000 --> 00:04:00,000 And he said, you better get down here. 51 00:04:00,000 --> 00:04:02,000 You found the body in the river down here. 52 00:04:02,000 --> 00:04:05,000 We think it's that boy you're looking for. 53 00:04:05,000 --> 00:04:09,000 And I looked at my desk calendar and it was April 9th. 54 00:04:09,000 --> 00:04:12,000 My goal is to see how many killers can I knock down. 55 00:04:12,000 --> 00:04:15,000 It's like a game with me now. I love getting a killer. 56 00:04:15,000 --> 00:04:17,000 I really do. 57 00:04:17,000 --> 00:04:22,000 If you'll ever see evil in a killer, it'll be in his eyes. 58 00:04:22,000 --> 00:04:25,000 In Dorothy's eyes, they see hope. 59 00:04:29,000 --> 00:04:34,000 Nancy Meyer first discovered her psychic ability as a young girl. 60 00:04:34,000 --> 00:04:40,000 While on a trip overseas, she found that she could read the minds of people, 61 00:04:40,000 --> 00:04:43,000 no matter what language they spoke. 62 00:04:43,000 --> 00:04:48,000 I discovered that if I got in the person's head, I could get the sense of what they were saying. 63 00:04:48,000 --> 00:04:55,000 So I used my ability quite a bit to follow conversations and languages that I didn't know. 64 00:04:55,000 --> 00:05:03,000 As her gift continued to develop, she reluctantly started working with the Delaware State Police. 65 00:05:03,000 --> 00:05:12,000 It's very overwhelming. It's kind of hard for people to understand that when a person who is as sensitive as I am does their reading. 66 00:05:12,000 --> 00:05:18,000 I have to use a very strong system of blocking within me in order to keep the victim's pain. 67 00:05:18,000 --> 00:05:21,000 But I must not lose me while I'm doing it. 68 00:05:21,000 --> 00:05:25,000 With success, Nancy's reputation grew. 69 00:05:25,000 --> 00:05:30,000 Soon, she was being called in on murder cases. 70 00:05:30,000 --> 00:05:37,000 But tapping into the psychic energy of a violent crime is a painful personal experience. 71 00:05:37,000 --> 00:05:42,000 It's three-dimensional. It's in color. Only you are standing in the scene. 72 00:05:42,000 --> 00:05:48,000 The color is often stronger and more vivid in real life. 73 00:05:48,000 --> 00:05:55,000 When I'm doing the murder scene, that vividness is a real problem because it is almost larger than life. 74 00:05:55,000 --> 00:06:00,000 It's like looking at a big screen movie that I'm in the middle of. And that's sometimes frightening. 75 00:06:07,000 --> 00:06:12,000 See, I felt he came out this door and then he took a right that which headed towards the back of the building. 76 00:06:12,000 --> 00:06:15,000 But this is quite a desert area here. 77 00:06:15,000 --> 00:06:17,000 I felt that he was coming out of a road. 78 00:06:17,000 --> 00:06:21,000 Kathleen Ray on the path of a killer. 79 00:06:21,000 --> 00:06:23,000 I'd like to look around there. 80 00:06:23,000 --> 00:06:27,000 Detectives listen intently to every word. 81 00:06:27,000 --> 00:06:32,000 I heard a bell just as soon as it was near the church or the nearest bell that would ring. 82 00:06:32,000 --> 00:06:34,000 Considerably off campus. 83 00:06:34,000 --> 00:06:38,000 Yeah, because I don't feel like it was near where she was. I feel like it's at a distance. 84 00:06:38,000 --> 00:06:47,000 Like other psychic crime solvers, Kathleen's visions are impressionistic and it's up to the police to decipher the clues. 85 00:06:47,000 --> 00:06:56,000 So I'm painting a picture. I first start by putting the different items in the picture and then we have to find the focal point to go with that picture. 86 00:06:56,000 --> 00:06:59,000 I try to work just as methodical as the detectives do. 87 00:06:59,000 --> 00:07:05,000 And I just plug in the intuitive feelings to go with it to see if we can sharpen it any or narrow it down more. 88 00:07:05,000 --> 00:07:08,000 Kathleen has worked on hundreds of cases. 89 00:07:08,000 --> 00:07:16,000 Her clues have led police to killers and more importantly to their missing victims. 90 00:07:16,000 --> 00:07:22,000 People ask me why I do this type of work. It's to give closure to those who are left behind that are suffering. 91 00:07:22,000 --> 00:07:29,000 Greta Alexander wasn't born with psychic abilities. 92 00:07:29,000 --> 00:07:34,000 A freak accident as a child almost killed her. 93 00:07:34,000 --> 00:07:38,000 But it gave her second sight. 94 00:07:38,000 --> 00:07:45,000 For more than 20 years, she has used this gift to aid police departments across the country. 95 00:07:45,000 --> 00:07:51,000 Revealing clues to help detectives track down the victims' lives. 96 00:07:51,000 --> 00:07:56,000 She has tracked down arsonists, kidnappers and murderers. 97 00:07:56,000 --> 00:08:02,000 To do this, she must look through the eyes of the victim. 98 00:08:02,000 --> 00:08:09,000 To actually become her, you actually see these things that she's seeing. 99 00:08:09,000 --> 00:08:12,000 And I will say, I'm very frightened, I'm very afraid. 100 00:08:12,000 --> 00:08:20,000 I am underneath some bushes and I will say I am because I actually feel like that's me. 101 00:08:20,000 --> 00:08:26,000 These gruesome visions sometimes become too overwhelming for Greta. 102 00:08:26,000 --> 00:08:31,000 I don't work more to cases anymore though. I put that too hard on me. 103 00:08:31,000 --> 00:08:34,000 You become a victim and you feel the pain. 104 00:08:34,000 --> 00:08:42,000 Greta believes everyone has some form of psychic ability, even if they don't recognize it. 105 00:08:42,000 --> 00:08:45,000 I think their abilities, everybody's got it. 106 00:08:45,000 --> 00:08:50,000 Everybody can play Chopsticks. I can just have it and play Chopin. 107 00:08:56,000 --> 00:08:59,000 He shot me. I know I'm on the floor. 108 00:08:59,000 --> 00:09:04,000 My back seems to be hurting me a great deal and I die. 109 00:09:04,000 --> 00:09:11,000 Noreen Reneer lived the first 30 years of her life unaware of her gift. 110 00:09:11,000 --> 00:09:19,000 But when a client sensed her abilities, Noreen's extra sensory perception quickly opened up. 111 00:09:19,000 --> 00:09:23,000 It was like stepping on the moon once I entered into this. 112 00:09:23,000 --> 00:09:28,000 I could touch a ring or watch and I could see pictures in my head. 113 00:09:30,000 --> 00:09:36,000 Once she was comfortable with her abilities, Noreen decided to use them to help people. 114 00:09:37,000 --> 00:09:46,000 She focused on police work. Using the ability to read objects, Noreen became a valuable tool for detectives. 115 00:09:46,000 --> 00:09:50,000 I see the way they see because I'm not me anymore than them. 116 00:09:50,000 --> 00:09:53,000 Sometimes I hurt very much when I'm being killed. 117 00:09:53,000 --> 00:10:00,000 Five women, each has her own way of working. Each has her own gift. 118 00:10:00,000 --> 00:10:05,000 Each using their talents to help the police catch criminals. 119 00:10:06,000 --> 00:10:11,000 These are the best and most accurate psychics in America. 120 00:10:13,000 --> 00:10:17,000 Coming up, how did the police react to these psychics? 121 00:10:17,000 --> 00:10:23,000 We'll hear from seasoned officers risking their careers on a hunch. 122 00:10:23,000 --> 00:10:28,000 She looked at the palm print and started telling us what happened. 123 00:10:28,000 --> 00:10:34,000 The information that Greta gave us from start to finish was 100% accurate. 124 00:10:34,000 --> 00:10:36,000 I said that when I found the body, there was these chickens. 125 00:10:36,000 --> 00:10:38,000 Chickens, chickens, chickens. 126 00:10:38,000 --> 00:10:43,000 And a landmark case that opened up the eyes of detectives everywhere. 127 00:10:43,000 --> 00:10:50,000 Police officers are the kind of guys that they got to try it, test it, hold it, feel it, then they believe it. 128 00:10:50,000 --> 00:10:57,000 We have to realize that psychic ability when it comes to the surface is not that easy to deal with. 129 00:10:57,000 --> 00:11:01,000 All that and our UNX report. 130 00:11:02,000 --> 00:11:05,000 On unexplained mysteries. 131 00:11:10,000 --> 00:11:15,000 Unexplained mysteries. Psychic crime solvers. 132 00:11:17,000 --> 00:11:20,000 They exist in two different worlds. 133 00:11:20,000 --> 00:11:24,000 One believes in what they can see and touch. 134 00:11:24,000 --> 00:11:28,000 The other relies on visions and impressions. 135 00:11:29,000 --> 00:11:32,000 Detective work and psychic abilities. 136 00:11:32,000 --> 00:11:38,000 Their worlds only come together when a case is at a dead end. 137 00:11:45,000 --> 00:11:52,000 Greta Alexander is searching for a missing woman, the victim of a brutal homicide. 138 00:11:53,000 --> 00:12:02,000 The closer we got to the bridge, the more I could feel her saying like, come and get me, just come and get me. 139 00:12:02,000 --> 00:12:05,000 Horrible images flash through her brain. 140 00:12:05,000 --> 00:12:11,000 A murder. A kidnapping. A violent death. 141 00:12:11,000 --> 00:12:15,000 Images that would disturb anyone. 142 00:12:15,000 --> 00:12:19,000 This is the curse of ESP. 143 00:12:19,000 --> 00:12:22,000 Greta Alexander's curse. 144 00:12:22,000 --> 00:12:26,000 One that began when she was struck by lightning. 145 00:12:26,000 --> 00:12:30,000 I found that I was a different person. 146 00:12:30,000 --> 00:12:37,000 I found I could sense, I would know, and I would feel things that I never ever felt before. 147 00:12:37,000 --> 00:12:41,000 At first, her psychic visions were dismissed by police. 148 00:12:41,000 --> 00:12:46,000 But as they recognized her accuracy, her credibility grew. 149 00:12:47,000 --> 00:12:52,000 It all began with a murder in Taswell, Illinois. 150 00:12:54,000 --> 00:13:02,000 Mary Cassetta and her boyfriend were traveling from Alton, Illinois to Peoria just past the Mackinac River Bridge. 151 00:13:02,000 --> 00:13:10,000 The argument that had been building in the car reached a climax to a point where he pulled off to the side of the road. 152 00:13:11,000 --> 00:13:17,000 She was afraid of him. She bailed out of the vehicle, ran down the embankment. 153 00:13:17,000 --> 00:13:25,000 The police arrested Mary's boyfriend. The problem, they couldn't find the body. 154 00:13:25,000 --> 00:13:31,000 It was late in the fall when we started to search. The weather was extremely bad. It was freezing rain. 155 00:13:31,000 --> 00:13:37,000 There was a storm front moving in that would have covered the area with snow. 156 00:13:37,000 --> 00:13:49,000 Making matters worse, an Illinois state law said if a body was not found within 120 days, the accused killer had to be released. 157 00:13:49,000 --> 00:13:58,000 Detectives were desperate. They had read about Greta Alexander and decided to take a chance. 158 00:13:58,000 --> 00:14:06,000 I called Greta and I asked her a single question if in fact a body was located in Taswell County. 159 00:14:06,000 --> 00:14:11,000 She did in fact immediately say that yes, we had a body in Taswell County. 160 00:14:11,000 --> 00:14:17,000 Greta convinced the detectives to send her the suspect's handprint. 161 00:14:17,000 --> 00:14:22,000 She looked at the palm print and started telling us what happened. 162 00:14:22,000 --> 00:14:27,000 Greta was drawn to this bridge over the Mackinac River. 163 00:14:27,000 --> 00:14:35,000 I could feel her and as we stopped and as we looked over the bridge, you could feel her calling. 164 00:14:35,000 --> 00:14:42,000 And I could hear the children singing. She kept showing me the children singing. The children singing. 165 00:14:42,000 --> 00:14:48,000 What happened next shocked the detectives and prosecutor working on the case. 166 00:14:48,000 --> 00:14:52,000 Greta began speaking as the murder victim. 167 00:14:52,000 --> 00:14:58,000 And there was a fighting and the arguing was unreal and I just couldn't take anymore. 168 00:14:58,000 --> 00:15:05,000 And then I wanted out of the car. I wanted to get away. The car pulls over and I get out to run. 169 00:15:05,000 --> 00:15:15,000 And then on my back, I'm accosted and I'm rolling down and down and down and then my body comes to arrest. 170 00:15:15,000 --> 00:15:19,000 But not even the victim could tell police where she was. 171 00:15:19,000 --> 00:15:24,000 She took out a map of the state of Illinois and circled three areas in red. 172 00:15:24,000 --> 00:15:31,000 She also gave us a series of clues. She said, if I were Mary, these are the things that I would see. 173 00:15:31,000 --> 00:15:36,000 And then there was like an old schoolhouse and the kids were in these long dresses. 174 00:15:36,000 --> 00:15:42,000 She said that the body was near a schoolhouse. We did in fact find that location of the school. 175 00:15:42,000 --> 00:15:49,000 The only thing left is the water pump that had been in front of the school in the playground area. 176 00:15:49,000 --> 00:15:52,000 The school itself has been long gone. 177 00:15:52,000 --> 00:16:01,000 Once the detectives learned how to decipher Greta's visions, her clues led them to the body of Mary Cousette. 178 00:16:01,000 --> 00:16:11,000 One of the things that Greta had mentioned to us was that from the body location, you could hear dogs barking and children singing. 179 00:16:11,000 --> 00:16:20,000 I got to the scene, went down the embankment and as I'm kneeling next to the body, I hear dogs barking and children singing. 180 00:16:20,000 --> 00:16:27,000 There was a church camp located on the opposite side of the hill from our location. 181 00:16:27,000 --> 00:16:33,000 The case opened up the eyes of police agencies across the country. 182 00:16:33,000 --> 00:16:39,000 A psychic could be a valuable asset in an unsolved crime. 183 00:16:40,000 --> 00:16:46,000 The information that Greta gave us from start to finish was 100% accurate. 184 00:16:46,000 --> 00:16:49,000 Nothing she told us was not correct. 185 00:16:49,000 --> 00:16:56,000 Police officers are the kind of guys that they got to try it, test it, hold it, feel it, then they believe it. 186 00:16:56,000 --> 00:17:08,000 I feel like that if I can give them one little helping hand, just one little thing that will help turn the corner for them, then I have done much. 187 00:17:08,000 --> 00:17:15,000 Coming up on Unexplained Mysteries, a detective with nowhere to turn. 188 00:17:15,000 --> 00:17:19,000 We've pursued many leads that allowed us nowhere. 189 00:17:19,000 --> 00:17:22,000 A mother desperate for answers. 190 00:17:22,000 --> 00:17:27,000 They're haunted every moment that you live and breathe. 191 00:17:27,000 --> 00:17:30,000 And the shocking psychic revelation. 192 00:17:30,000 --> 00:17:32,000 Hey, new to dinner. 193 00:17:32,000 --> 00:17:34,000 We'll talk to the skeptics. 194 00:17:34,000 --> 00:17:38,000 The psychic part of this was just way off. It didn't make sense. 195 00:17:38,000 --> 00:17:40,000 The grieving family members. 196 00:17:40,000 --> 00:17:46,000 All you can think about is how could this possibly happen to your child. 197 00:17:46,000 --> 00:17:49,000 And the psychic who brings home. 198 00:17:49,000 --> 00:17:54,000 I'm experiencing it right along with the victim. It's like a movie in my head. 199 00:17:54,000 --> 00:18:00,000 In an exclusive case study, we'll investigate a murder spree in the desert. 200 00:18:00,000 --> 00:18:05,000 We have a serial killer we believe out there that is going to strike again. 201 00:18:05,000 --> 00:18:10,000 We'll talk to the psychic who vows to put it to an end. 202 00:18:10,000 --> 00:18:12,000 I'm going to come at you until I get you. 203 00:18:12,000 --> 00:18:16,000 And tie it all up in the Rx report. 204 00:18:16,000 --> 00:18:18,000 Unexplained Mysteries. 205 00:18:18,000 --> 00:18:21,000 Psychic Crime Solvers. 206 00:18:22,000 --> 00:18:26,000 It's very clear to me. 207 00:18:26,000 --> 00:18:29,000 I'm experiencing it right along with the victim. 208 00:18:29,000 --> 00:18:32,000 It's like a movie in my head. 209 00:18:32,000 --> 00:18:36,000 Nancy Meyer is a witness to a murder. 210 00:18:36,000 --> 00:18:39,000 She observed every detail. 211 00:18:39,000 --> 00:18:42,000 She's a witness to a murder. 212 00:18:42,000 --> 00:18:45,000 She's a witness to a murder. 213 00:18:45,000 --> 00:18:48,000 Nancy Meyer is a witness to a murder. 214 00:18:49,000 --> 00:18:54,000 She observed every detail and heard every scream. 215 00:18:54,000 --> 00:18:58,000 But she was nowhere near the scene of the crime. 216 00:18:58,000 --> 00:19:03,000 She saw Skipper Parker's murder in a vision. 217 00:19:03,000 --> 00:19:11,000 A haunted every moment that you live and breathe all you can think about is how or why. 218 00:19:11,000 --> 00:19:15,000 How could this possibly happen to your child? 219 00:19:15,000 --> 00:19:20,000 You try to protect him and do everything you can to take care of that child. 220 00:19:20,000 --> 00:19:25,000 And then one moment, someone can just take that all away from you. 221 00:19:25,000 --> 00:19:31,000 Skipper was buried, but his killer was never found. 222 00:19:31,000 --> 00:19:35,000 Detective John Barrow had exhausted every lead. 223 00:19:35,000 --> 00:19:40,000 It would appear that the young man was on the way to work while in his truck. 224 00:19:40,000 --> 00:19:43,000 He was fired on by some unknown assailant. 225 00:19:43,000 --> 00:19:46,000 One of those projectiles struck and killed him. 226 00:19:46,000 --> 00:19:52,000 Up to now, the police have, I think, to the best of their abilities done what they can, 227 00:19:52,000 --> 00:19:56,000 given with the resources that they have available to them. 228 00:19:56,000 --> 00:20:00,000 And it's been tough for our family because we want the answer. We want it now. 229 00:20:00,000 --> 00:20:06,000 We've pursued many leads that have led us nowhere and we've pursued some leads that have given us some information, 230 00:20:06,000 --> 00:20:11,000 but certainly not any that has led to the identification of the suspects in the case. 231 00:20:11,000 --> 00:20:14,000 The case is still open. The case is still unsolved. 232 00:20:14,000 --> 00:20:20,000 Detective Barrow had been working the case for months with nothing to show for it. 233 00:20:20,000 --> 00:20:26,000 Then Skipper's family read an article about Nancy Meyer. 234 00:20:26,000 --> 00:20:31,000 They called the Greensboro Homicide Division and asked them to talk with her. 235 00:20:31,000 --> 00:20:39,000 I hope that Nancy Meyer can pick up something that they're missing. 236 00:20:39,000 --> 00:20:46,000 A clue, a vibration, whatever it takes to solve this crime. 237 00:20:46,000 --> 00:20:52,000 I've never worked with a psychic in a criminal investigation or in any way. 238 00:20:52,000 --> 00:20:55,000 This was first proposed by the family. 239 00:20:55,000 --> 00:20:58,000 My position with the family has been that if this is something they want to do 240 00:20:58,000 --> 00:21:01,000 and it's not interfering with the investigation, 241 00:21:01,000 --> 00:21:08,000 and I think it's a position of me as an investigator and the Greensboro Police Department will accommodate them any way we can. 242 00:21:08,000 --> 00:21:13,000 Nancy has given access to the crime scene photos. 243 00:21:13,000 --> 00:21:17,000 This is where her visions begin. 244 00:21:17,000 --> 00:21:23,000 There's energy in every murder scene. When I look at stacks of photos on murder scene, 245 00:21:23,000 --> 00:21:28,000 I am not trying to look at this poor, battered body. 246 00:21:28,000 --> 00:21:34,000 What I'm looking for is somewhere when that photographer moved all the way around the body, 247 00:21:34,000 --> 00:21:38,000 and I can't see exactly where the killer was at a moment when the killer was open. 248 00:21:38,000 --> 00:21:40,000 Bam, I'm in there. 249 00:21:40,000 --> 00:21:44,000 Nancy's first impression shocked everyone involved in the case. 250 00:21:44,000 --> 00:21:53,000 He knew who did it. This was not random. It may look random, but actually it seems like a sort of a running conflict. 251 00:21:53,000 --> 00:21:55,000 Money's involved. 252 00:21:55,000 --> 00:22:02,000 Images continue to flow. Nancy describes what she sees to detectives. 253 00:22:02,000 --> 00:22:06,000 And he's looking at the driver and there's a passenger and there is someone in the backseat. 254 00:22:06,000 --> 00:22:08,000 There are three young men there. 255 00:22:08,000 --> 00:22:13,000 After studying the photos, she paints a portrait of the killer. 256 00:22:13,000 --> 00:22:17,000 There's some schooling in common between the two of them. 257 00:22:17,000 --> 00:22:23,000 There's a ring on his right hand that looks like a heavy class ring. 258 00:22:23,000 --> 00:22:31,000 And the conflict between the shooter and the victim started way back. 259 00:22:31,000 --> 00:22:39,000 He seems to have been very jealous of the victim, jealous of the friendliness of the victim, jealous of the victim's success with young ladies. 260 00:22:39,000 --> 00:22:42,000 I think she's intuitive and I think she's perceptive. 261 00:22:42,000 --> 00:22:48,000 There are some perceptions perhaps that are similar to some information that we already have available. 262 00:22:48,000 --> 00:22:54,000 But the accuracy of the information provided will only be borne out based on the investigation. 263 00:22:54,000 --> 00:22:59,000 Barrow is skeptical, but he isn't going to rule anything out. 264 00:22:59,000 --> 00:23:07,000 He continues to follow up leads and Nancy is confident that he will catch Skipper's killer. 265 00:23:07,000 --> 00:23:12,000 They've got two very good cops on this. You got two bloodhounds. They're great. 266 00:23:12,000 --> 00:23:15,000 They'll go after it. They're going to dig and dig and dig. 267 00:23:15,000 --> 00:23:25,000 Coming up on Unexplained Mysteries, psychic crime solvers, a killer who has police from three states baffled. 268 00:23:25,000 --> 00:23:30,000 It's very frustrating. You start wondering, you know, what else can you do? What can you do? 269 00:23:30,000 --> 00:23:34,000 We have a serial killer we believe out there that is going to strike again. 270 00:23:34,000 --> 00:23:39,000 This is what happened to this girl. This is who did it to her. This is what he looks like. 271 00:23:39,000 --> 00:23:42,000 The disturbing case study, deadly abduction. 272 00:23:42,000 --> 00:23:47,000 She's frightened everybody. She knows he's violent. He's a very violent person. 273 00:23:47,000 --> 00:23:50,000 It was a situation that I'll never forget as long as I live. 274 00:23:50,000 --> 00:23:56,000 I didn't believe it, but after five minutes, whether she told me enough stuff, she had 100% of my attention. 275 00:23:56,000 --> 00:24:02,000 And the Unexplained Mysteries. 276 00:24:09,000 --> 00:24:13,000 Unexplained Mysteries, psychic crime solvers. 277 00:24:15,000 --> 00:24:19,000 In the Nevada desert, a woman's body is found. 278 00:24:21,000 --> 00:24:30,000 Two hikers made the grisly discovery. Detective Bill Schultz takes the call. 279 00:24:30,000 --> 00:24:41,000 When we got out there, we found a white female, unidentified. Completely stripped of all her clothing, jewelry, and had been killed by a gunshot. 280 00:24:41,000 --> 00:24:48,000 She is known only as Jane Doe. A sketch is released to the press. 281 00:24:48,000 --> 00:24:57,000 But no one comes forward to identify her. Jane Doe is buried, but not forgotten. 282 00:24:57,000 --> 00:25:03,000 Detective Schultz was determined to find out who she was and who had killed her. 283 00:25:03,000 --> 00:25:09,000 He sent out a description of the murder to other police agencies. 284 00:25:09,000 --> 00:25:16,000 Within days, he got calls from homicide detectives in Juam and Millard, Utah. 285 00:25:16,000 --> 00:25:20,000 They too had their own Jane Doe murders. 286 00:25:20,000 --> 00:25:22,000 I'll show you where our girl was found. 287 00:25:22,000 --> 00:25:27,000 After comparing clues, a pattern seemed to emerge. 288 00:25:27,000 --> 00:25:34,000 Young female victims shot with a small caliber handgun, stripped naked. 289 00:25:34,000 --> 00:25:41,000 They now felt that a serial killer was using their desert as a hunting ground. 290 00:25:41,000 --> 00:25:53,000 The scenes are almost identical. The way their hair was pulled up underneath them, the way their heads were turned, the way their hands were laid out in a particular fashion, the way their feet were laid out in a particular fashion. 291 00:25:53,000 --> 00:26:02,000 We feel very strongly that the bodies were in fact posed, that there are some things that are not natural, but the way the bodies were positioned. 292 00:26:02,000 --> 00:26:11,000 Making the case more difficult was that none of the women had been reported missing and none could be identified. 293 00:26:11,000 --> 00:26:16,000 It's very frustrating. You start wondering, you know, what else can you do? What can you do? 294 00:26:16,000 --> 00:26:25,000 The police were at a dead end with nothing to lose. They call in psychic Dorothy Allison. 295 00:26:25,000 --> 00:26:32,000 He does pose as either a security guard or a policeman, does not pose as a trucker that he may be. 296 00:26:32,000 --> 00:26:40,000 That's what is so shocking to the girl, because they think they were the police officer and they don't expect this to happen. 297 00:26:40,000 --> 00:26:44,000 They're more or less in the state of shock when he starts attacking them. 298 00:26:44,000 --> 00:26:51,000 The detectives are skeptical, but she soon revealed something that only they knew. 299 00:26:51,000 --> 00:27:00,000 I was told this girl was shot, and that was all I was told, but I got a feeling about the throat. There's something wrong with the throat, whatever that may be. 300 00:27:00,000 --> 00:27:06,000 I don't know, maybe the police could, you know, sort of let me know what I feel about that throat. 301 00:27:06,000 --> 00:27:16,000 Well, the only problem I have with that is that it's never been released, and I, you know, that's a lead for us, and there was something, yeah, something was done on the throat. 302 00:27:16,000 --> 00:27:25,000 The detectives aren't ready to give out any information, but Dorothy had clearly gotten their attention with her accuracy. 303 00:27:25,000 --> 00:27:36,000 I feel that this man stays mostly in the area, buta in Nevada, although he's been to Portland, and a place that's called Castle Rock or something like that. 304 00:27:36,000 --> 00:27:38,000 He said something about Castle Rock? 305 00:27:38,000 --> 00:27:39,000 Yes. 306 00:27:39,000 --> 00:27:40,000 Castle Bale? 307 00:27:40,000 --> 00:27:44,000 Something with Castle in it. Any name that has Castle in it, he hangs there. 308 00:27:44,000 --> 00:27:53,000 Dorothy picks up on two key pieces of information from the murders. The detectives are stunned. 309 00:27:53,000 --> 00:28:03,000 The place she was found is on I-70 out of Castle Bale. As I understand it, she was last seen when they did I there in Portland, Oregon. 310 00:28:03,000 --> 00:28:10,000 Dorothy talks for two hours with the detectives hanging on her every word. 311 00:28:10,000 --> 00:28:15,000 She sometimes travels with a dog in the car. Nice dog. 312 00:28:15,000 --> 00:28:20,000 Do you see, I mean, is it anything about any oddities about the animals that you see? 313 00:28:20,000 --> 00:28:23,000 You mean like one leg off or something? 314 00:28:23,000 --> 00:28:24,000 Yeah. 315 00:28:24,000 --> 00:28:31,000 We're looking for somebody in a vehicle with a three-legged, what we believe is possibly a Rottweiler. 316 00:28:31,000 --> 00:28:37,000 The vehicle was also seen up in this area at about the time of the discovery of this body. 317 00:28:37,000 --> 00:28:43,000 With the Elko police department, Dorothy describes the killer to a sketch artist. 318 00:28:43,000 --> 00:28:46,000 So is that long enough right there? 319 00:28:46,000 --> 00:28:51,000 When Detective Colch sees the sketch, he's shocked. 320 00:28:51,000 --> 00:29:03,000 All right, when we were looking for an individual in a station wagon, that we had a witness here in Elko who had seen this individual, that person drawn is very, very similar. 321 00:29:03,000 --> 00:29:06,000 The description is that individual right there. That's the guy we're looking for with the dog. 322 00:29:06,000 --> 00:29:11,000 Within just a few hours, Dorothy Allison convinces the detectives. 323 00:29:11,000 --> 00:29:22,000 Saying I was skeptical is putting them mildly, but Dorothy told us some things today, things that came to her that somewhat take me back and has to put that mildly. 324 00:29:22,000 --> 00:29:29,000 There were some things that she had said while we were out in the scene that has never been public or made public. 325 00:29:29,000 --> 00:29:34,000 Things are only known by the four of us and our people, then our own agencies or sheriffs. 326 00:29:34,000 --> 00:29:40,000 She gave some names and some businesses and stuff and that I think really need to be followed up on. 327 00:29:40,000 --> 00:29:45,000 Since the detectives last talked to Dorothy, one of the murders has been solved. 328 00:29:45,000 --> 00:29:56,000 And while it was unrelated to the other cases, they haven't lost hope that one day they will track down the Jane Doe killer. 329 00:29:56,000 --> 00:30:05,000 Next on Unexplained Mysteries, a desperate family calls on a psychic to locate their missing daughter. 330 00:30:05,000 --> 00:30:13,000 If I was dreaming about what can I do, what other avenues can I go? And it came to me in the dream. 331 00:30:13,000 --> 00:30:15,000 The detective who went out on a limb. 332 00:30:15,000 --> 00:30:19,000 The psychic part of this was just way off that it didn't make sense to me. 333 00:30:19,000 --> 00:30:26,000 These feelings are something I've educated like you've educated your other senses to where I can use them more fully. 334 00:30:26,000 --> 00:30:29,000 And the clue that would break the case. 335 00:30:29,000 --> 00:30:33,000 It was a situation that I'll never forget as long as I live. 336 00:30:33,000 --> 00:30:38,000 She stopped, she grabbed my arm and she said, Tim, find the dog and you'll find the Victoria. 337 00:30:38,000 --> 00:30:46,000 We've opened all the case files in our On X Report, coming up on Unexplained Mysteries. 338 00:30:50,000 --> 00:30:56,000 Unexplained Mysteries, psychic crime solvers. 339 00:31:03,000 --> 00:31:11,000 Fresno, California, nestled in the San Joaquin Valley, farms stretch out as far as the eye can see. 340 00:31:12,000 --> 00:31:15,000 A shocking crime took place here. 341 00:31:15,000 --> 00:31:22,000 Nine-year-old Victoria de Santiago and her younger sister Eva were kidnapped along with their dog. 342 00:31:22,000 --> 00:31:26,000 They had gone to the store to buy a loaf of bread. 343 00:31:26,000 --> 00:31:31,000 The counterman said that he remembers the girls coming in and he told them to go out because they couldn't bring the dog in. 344 00:31:31,000 --> 00:31:35,000 But no one knows for sure what happened next. 345 00:31:35,000 --> 00:31:41,000 What we figured is that perhaps whoever this individual was was there in the parking lot. 346 00:31:41,000 --> 00:31:47,000 Somehow, a strange man lured the girls into his car. 347 00:31:47,000 --> 00:31:51,000 Two days later, little Eva is found. 348 00:31:51,000 --> 00:31:55,000 Victoria and the dog still missing. 349 00:31:56,000 --> 00:31:58,000 She was a very beautiful little girl. 350 00:31:58,000 --> 00:32:01,000 She was always very protective of her sister. 351 00:32:01,000 --> 00:32:07,000 She said that her sister told the man to let her go and that she would stay. 352 00:32:07,000 --> 00:32:14,000 So from that, I know that she was just a very good person. 353 00:32:14,000 --> 00:32:20,000 The police canvassed the area, but no one had seen anything. 354 00:32:20,000 --> 00:32:28,000 In my sleep, I was dreaming about what can I do, what other avenues can I go? 355 00:32:28,000 --> 00:32:34,000 And it came to me in the dream. I mean, I sat right up and her name was Kathleen Ray. 356 00:32:34,000 --> 00:32:40,000 Kathleen Ray is one of the most respected psychic crime solvers in the country. 357 00:32:40,000 --> 00:32:48,000 Even with all her experience, Sergeant Tim McFadden had a hard time accepting the idea. 358 00:32:48,000 --> 00:32:54,000 I was told that a psychic was being brought in and I was going to fly to San Jose to meet this psychic. 359 00:32:54,000 --> 00:32:59,000 And I thought I'm going to fly up there and I'm going to meet this lady wearing gypsy clothes. 360 00:32:59,000 --> 00:33:04,000 She's going to take me into this house. We're going to burn some incense. We're going to rattle some bones. 361 00:33:04,000 --> 00:33:08,000 She's going to throw some dust around in the air and tell me something that's totally irrelevant to the case. 362 00:33:08,000 --> 00:33:11,000 Intuition is something that everybody has. 363 00:33:11,000 --> 00:33:15,000 And the intuitive sense is a sense of feeling. 364 00:33:15,000 --> 00:33:22,000 But these feelings are something I've educated, like you've educated your other senses, to where I can use them more fully. 365 00:33:22,000 --> 00:33:26,000 The psychic part of this was just way off. It didn't make sense to me. 366 00:33:26,000 --> 00:33:31,000 How somebody 180 miles from here is going to tell me how to find a body in my town. 367 00:33:31,000 --> 00:33:36,000 It's really taking feelings up and bringing a whole picture and holding that picture long enough. 368 00:33:36,000 --> 00:33:40,000 Just like going to a movie or turning the TV on and seeing a picture part of your face. 369 00:33:40,000 --> 00:33:46,000 I didn't believe it. But after five minutes with her, she told me enough stuff that she had 100% of my attention. 370 00:33:46,000 --> 00:33:47,000 I was believing in her. 371 00:33:47,000 --> 00:33:54,000 The DeSantiago family had no doubts. They put all their faith in Kathleen. 372 00:33:54,000 --> 00:34:01,000 All I could think of asking her was, you know, did she have to go through a lot of pain? 373 00:34:01,000 --> 00:34:08,000 I felt that Victoria at this point was still barely alive. Just barely. 374 00:34:09,000 --> 00:34:17,000 If Victoria was still alive, every minute was essential. McFadden had to trust Kathleen. 375 00:34:17,000 --> 00:34:21,000 She told me the road she was on was not a well-traveled road. 376 00:34:21,000 --> 00:34:24,000 I saw this plowed field. I knew the field had just been plowed. 377 00:34:24,000 --> 00:34:29,000 Kay said she's laying parallel to the road. I feel she's laying parallel to the road with her face towards the road. 378 00:34:29,000 --> 00:34:35,000 I'll see the bushes, the trees, the poultry farm. 379 00:34:35,000 --> 00:34:39,000 Kay said that when I found the body, there would be chickens. She said, I get chickens around the body. 380 00:34:39,000 --> 00:34:40,000 Chickens, chickens, chickens. 381 00:34:40,000 --> 00:34:47,000 There has to be a farmer whose name starts with an S. There has to be a street that starts with an L. 382 00:34:47,000 --> 00:34:49,000 There has to be a windmill. 383 00:34:49,000 --> 00:34:54,000 After my interview with Kay, as I was walking out the door and I'll never forget this, she stopped me. 384 00:34:54,000 --> 00:34:59,000 She grabbed my arm and she said, Tim, find the dog and you'll find Victoria. 385 00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:06,000 At the same time, back in Fresno, a farmer reported finding the dog. 386 00:35:06,000 --> 00:35:11,000 Sergeant McFadden's partner responded to the scene. 387 00:35:11,000 --> 00:35:16,000 Detective Pope Joy was at the house where the dog was found. He verified it was the dog. 388 00:35:16,000 --> 00:35:19,000 So I asked Detective Pope Joy, he said, well, are there chickens out there? 389 00:35:19,000 --> 00:35:24,000 So I asked the rancher, the farmer, the rancher, is there a poultry ranch here? 390 00:35:24,000 --> 00:35:28,000 He said, yes, just south of here, about a quarter of a mile, there's an abandoned poultry ranch. 391 00:35:28,000 --> 00:35:34,000 Detective Pope Joy, he came and he got the call on the dog and he came out here and talked to the farmer that found the dog 392 00:35:34,000 --> 00:35:37,000 and he found it down here a little ways and brought it back to this house. 393 00:35:37,000 --> 00:35:40,000 And when I was talking to him on the phone, he said there wasn't a windmill. 394 00:35:40,000 --> 00:35:45,000 It was a situation that I'll never forget as long as I live, was him on the phone to me. 395 00:35:45,000 --> 00:35:52,000 And we are talking about this windmill and I'm telling him there's no windmill here 396 00:35:52,000 --> 00:35:57,000 and the landowner standing behind me said, oh yeah, you just walked by when it's in the front yard. 397 00:35:57,000 --> 00:36:02,000 As I'm telling him things that should be there and he's confirming these back to me, 398 00:36:02,000 --> 00:36:05,000 the case said would be there, I'm getting higher and higher. 399 00:36:05,000 --> 00:36:09,000 Wow, wow, we are. This gal doesn't know what she's talking about. 400 00:36:09,000 --> 00:36:20,000 We immediately called for officers to respond and it was from him telling me what she saw 145 miles away. 401 00:36:20,000 --> 00:36:26,000 Following the clues Kathleen had given, the police narrowed the search. 402 00:36:26,000 --> 00:36:32,000 The street must start with an L, Leonard Street. 403 00:36:32,000 --> 00:36:39,000 The farmer's last name begins with an S. There is an S on the mailbox. 404 00:36:39,000 --> 00:36:47,000 And when her body was found, it was laying parallel to the road, her head facing it, 405 00:36:47,000 --> 00:36:51,000 just as Kathleen had predicted. 406 00:36:51,000 --> 00:36:58,000 She was still alive in a coma, suffering right there in the little trench. 407 00:36:58,000 --> 00:37:02,000 Kathleen found that as she described it to the T. 408 00:37:02,000 --> 00:37:07,000 By the time authorities arrived, Victoria had died. 409 00:37:07,000 --> 00:37:12,000 The case is still open. The killer has yet to be found. 410 00:37:12,000 --> 00:37:22,000 But McFatten hasn't given up. With Kathleen's help and some good detective work, it's just a matter of time. 411 00:37:22,000 --> 00:37:32,000 I believe it could be solved. Somebody out there, somebody somewhere has got to know more about this, but they've never come forward. 412 00:37:32,000 --> 00:37:40,000 And for the DeSantiago family, finding their daughter lets them rest a little easier. 413 00:37:40,000 --> 00:37:51,000 Thank you guys. Thank you for finding Toria's body. Thank you for giving me Kathleen right. 414 00:37:51,000 --> 00:38:02,000 Next on Unexplained Mysteries, the Unex Report. Are these psychic crime solvers really using ESP to solve crimes? 415 00:38:02,000 --> 00:38:05,000 Or is there some other explanation? 416 00:38:05,000 --> 00:38:12,000 For family numbers, it's easy to believe. A psychic brings hope where there is none. 417 00:38:12,000 --> 00:38:21,000 But for the police officers and detectives who rely on more conventional solutions, the jury is still out. 418 00:38:21,000 --> 00:38:26,000 We'll put all the pieces together in our Unex Report. 419 00:38:26,000 --> 00:38:31,000 Next on Unexplained Mysteries. 420 00:38:32,000 --> 00:38:42,000 Unexplained Mysteries Psychic Crime Solvers. The Unex Report. 421 00:38:42,000 --> 00:38:51,000 When it comes to psychic crime solvers, there will always be skeptics. The law enforcement community isn't convinced. 422 00:38:51,000 --> 00:38:57,000 And even today, the use of a psychic on a case can be controversial. 423 00:38:57,000 --> 00:39:04,000 I didn't want the public to get the wrong question that John Swann uses psychics to do all his rescue. 424 00:39:04,000 --> 00:39:08,000 Sometimes the family asks to bring in a psychic. 425 00:39:08,000 --> 00:39:14,000 My position with the family has been that if this is something they want to do and it's not interfering with the investigation, 426 00:39:14,000 --> 00:39:17,000 the Greensboro Police Department will accommodate them any way we can. 427 00:39:17,000 --> 00:39:20,000 The reset is always the same. 428 00:39:20,000 --> 00:39:24,000 We've pursued many leaps that have led us nowhere. 429 00:39:24,000 --> 00:39:27,000 You start wondering, you know, what else can you do? What can you do? 430 00:39:27,000 --> 00:39:32,000 But overcoming reason and common sense isn't easy. 431 00:39:32,000 --> 00:39:37,000 The psychic part of this was just way off. It didn't make sense to me. 432 00:39:37,000 --> 00:39:43,000 Police officers are the kind of guys that they got to try it, test it, hold it, feel it, then they believe it. 433 00:39:43,000 --> 00:39:48,000 And then there is that moment that changes everything. 434 00:39:48,000 --> 00:39:54,000 I could hear the children singing. She kept storming the children singing. The children singing. 435 00:39:54,000 --> 00:39:59,000 She took out a map of the state of Illinois and circled three areas in red. 436 00:39:59,000 --> 00:40:04,000 Sometimes travels with a dog in the car. He likes dogs. 437 00:40:04,000 --> 00:40:09,000 Do you see anything about any oddities about the animals that you see? 438 00:40:09,000 --> 00:40:11,000 You mean like one leg off or something? 439 00:40:11,000 --> 00:40:15,000 That's the guy we're looking for with the dog, the individual with the dog. 440 00:40:15,000 --> 00:40:21,000 After five minutes with her, she told me enough stuff that she had 100% of my attention. I was believing in her. 441 00:40:21,000 --> 00:40:30,000 The cases aren't always solved. The clues don't always make sense. Not every skeptic can be convinced. 442 00:40:30,000 --> 00:40:35,000 We don't know how it works. I mean, if we did, it wouldn't be mysterious. 443 00:40:35,000 --> 00:40:41,000 These women have heard it all. They know what most people think of them. 444 00:40:41,000 --> 00:40:46,000 But they keep helping. They keep providing hope. 445 00:40:46,000 --> 00:40:52,000 People ask me why I do this type of work. It's to give closure to those who are left behind that are suffering. 446 00:40:52,000 --> 00:40:59,000 If I can give them just one little thing that will help turn the corner for them, then I have done much. 447 00:40:59,000 --> 00:41:04,000 It's like a game between now. I love getting a killer. I really do. 448 00:41:04,000 --> 00:41:12,000 There's only a light shining out of total darkness. You're going to walk towards that light. 449 00:41:12,000 --> 00:41:18,000 Whether it's the wrong way, the right way, it doesn't matter. It's a direction. 450 00:41:18,000 --> 00:41:26,000 When the logical fails, sometimes the supernatural can provide answers and solve crimes. 451 00:41:26,000 --> 00:41:34,000 Exactly how it works, nobody knows. So for now, that must remain an unexplained mystery.